BTW, I don’t know the brother. No true apologist advocates that extra-Biblical works such as The Talmud, The Zohar, the Rabbinic, Midrashic, and Haggadic writings of the rabbis and the works of Philo of Alexandria, or Flavius Josephus, or the writings of the Church Fathers be placed on an equal footing with Holy Writ, and I believe you realize that; it must go without saying. I’m no scholar and I won’t attempt to quote scripture, but Christians need to use the God given gift of discernment when it comes to what one fills their heart and mind with. Interpretation – we understand the New Testament in light of the Old Testament, rather than interpret the Old Testament using the New Testament. Do you think you’ve ever swallowed bones that you didn’t realize you swallowed? And, for the same reasons (being Mormon) it would not be a problem that Washington’s inauguration ceremony at St. Paul’s was part of a Masonic processions to the church, or that he was sworn into office on a Masonic Bible, with the oath of office administered by a Masonic Grandmaster – or that Washington was buried with a Masonic ceremony, or that several portraits show Washington in Masonic garb, or that he is depicted becoming deity in the dome of the nations capitol building. The third major problem is that there is a serious misrepresentation of historical facts and trying to create parallels between 8th century BC Israel and America. So I saw a “character contrast” and couldn’t help but think that those who were opposing him had completely “lost it”. (This can be demonstrated, but it would take more time to lay this out in detail than I have time to devote to this at the moment. Thank you for taking time to comment and provide a thoughtful critique of my work discussing The Harbinger. Verses 6-7 provide and unconditional promise to the nation of Israel that they will still participate in Messiah’s kingdom no matter what happens – and then the Lord, through Isaiah, tells them of their impending judgment. I’m on a plane to teach in Hungary and Ukraine. I can assure you that you know only a portion of this entire story – having come into the discussion at such a late date. KUDOS!) It was a few years back and I remember it making a HUGE impact on me. I have tried to be as gracious and kind as I can – but have clearly demonstrated that Cahn’s book is an illusion. I know many old ladies in my old church back on the east coast that have read this book The Harbinger and they are impressed with it…. When those standards are broken he often sends one or more warnings and sometimes does relent when there is repentance -and often there is judgment follows the failure to repent. This nation is doing wicked things in God’s sight abortion, gay marriage, idolatry and spiritual adultery or fornication. You remind me way too much of that old prophecy preacher (his name currently eludes me) but he’s crusty and rusty and teaches doctrinal error (I’m not saying you are doing that) but he had such a haughty air about him ~ actually telling people that if they had not studied prophecy for as long as he had, then they should “sit down and shut up”…. “This is not what the people of Israel were doing.”. In comparison the Left Behind series, it’s in a completely different category. But, God’s nature of mercy overruled his prophecy of judgment upon them. They are not speaking on behalf of believers. It is unfortunate. McMahon, Jimmy DeYoung, Brannon Howse, and some others, and although by your own assessment, I have been harsh, I will break down sentence by sentence what these men have written and said about Rabbi Cahn’s book and about Rabbi Cahn, and will allow the reader to determine for themselves if I have been harsh. In the last days, even the elect will be deceived. 2 Timothy 3:16 does not mean that Isaiah 9:10 refers to America the way Jonathan Cahn is arguing. If Friday is your day to travel I will be praying for your safely. If not, when was it put into place or put back into place? There is no place for pragmatism in the work of God. 8vo.” Then he defined the word Fables (3454: Muthos). 2. Here’s the problem when we engage in speculation – if we think about the number of attacks that have been prevented both before and after 9/11, there is FAR MORE evidence that God was and has been satisfied enough with the goodness of America to prevent these from happening. (TH, Front Matters) Jeremiah and other prophets noted that a great reason for Israel’s destruction was that the nation, while it rejected the true messengers the Lord sent them, chose instead to listen to the messengers He did not send, prophets who saw “false” visions and dreams, prophesied “lies,” and peddled the “deceit” of their hearts to God’s people (Isaiah 9:15; Jeremiah 14:14; 23:16, 30-32; Ezekiel 12:21-13:23).” (Pastor Larry DeBruyn, Click for his complete Article. Unfortunately, there are some issues which diminish the impact this chapter could have. But Jesus was very adamant about how His Word is to be used. Quote: “God’s decision to entrust the USA. The demon-possessed slave girl in Ephesus (Acts 16) followed Paul and Silas for 3 days – proclaiming the TRUTH about their ministry – but this is not the way God’s truth is to be proclaimed – even if right – so Paul put a stop to it. If so, then when did God cease imparting the gifts? The revelations are so specific that even the most hardened skeptics will find it hard to dismiss or put down. While it was true, they did not talk about repentance, but that was not their role. (Oddly enough I even vividly remember the Senate Majority Leaders mishandling of the scriptures). Did it remind anyone of a messenger leading Joseph Smith to the hidden ancient tablets? It hits me as a completely alien thought, a “hermeneutical” principle that I NEVER heard before this argument got going. To set those books aside and resort to a message absolutely given to the ten northern tribes of Israel is a biblical nightmare. Back to the topic: I don’t know if anyone would think that 9/11 didn’t affect the economy. Pastor Chambers, These people become the prey of every false cult because their lives lack a foundation in the Word of God. I do not plan on using them as I do what I believe are Gods Word. Paranormal is never equated with the Holy Ghost. This nation may have been dedicated to God – but was it the God of the Bible – or was it the god of the phallic symbol represented by the Washington Monument – or perhaps the god who in the famous painting in the rotunda of the nation’s capitol building which depicts Washington being received into heaven to become deity himself. And yes, Revelation 6 does mention the event. The scriptures teaches us to examine all. I have been at a total loss to understand how our critics have not realized what they have been doing. My critique of this book stands and I will pray for one and all those that reject the book and those that believe it. I have read, re-read, prayed, considered, thought through, and evaluated this a lot. In other words, test the things He has said, to be sure they are true. The judgment that the nation will experience at a national level will come as His people within the nation are suppressed, throttled, persecuted, demeaned and ignored. there was so much to cover and more could have been clarified without having to rush through everything. It doesn’t bother me personally, but that’s not the way we should discuss things with brothers in Christ – at least as a first contact. And yet that promise can be applied to every generation. Wouldn’t they, as the secular media does today, attempt to do everything to squash God’s truth and message while listening to the “all is well” prophets? So there seems to be a theological divide here that is acres wide and I didn’t know about it until I got into all this.
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